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Post by bitten on Feb 22, 2006 3:43:16 GMT -5
Mike, Timid lava child, and obliv326---- did any of you happen to read my post and have any thoughts? because I would be interested in any/all of your opinions and thoughts-- Thanks
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Post by kevinjames on Feb 23, 2006 20:38:06 GMT -5
I was thinking they are all dead, and in some type of pergutory. I mean the majority of the main character have sordid pasts. Well maybe not all but the vast majority of them do.
I think it is something bigger then a berumda triangle situation, although that is a good one. The situation with the horse that Kate sees in the jungle is too much to be a mere coincidence.
Not positive on anything, but defintely an interesting series, and the only thing on TV I purposefully make a point to watch. Watching the first season on DVD its pretty interesting to see how the characters have changed, as well as their relationships.
The ''Others'' could either be ordinary people that either were taking part in the experiment involving the bunker, can't remember the groups name. Or they could be people who were ''lost'' along time ago just like the French lady. They could also be some type of guardian to keep people from leaving the island or finding out too much about the island/purgatory.
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Post by G-Fan on Mar 3, 2006 21:38:29 GMT -5
If you have the first season, and if you see the first episode you can see the same symbol that were on the two doors see found this Wednesday on the plane in one of the scenes.
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Post by Michael West on Mar 16, 2006 6:58:47 GMT -5
Yet another repeat of LOST last night. This one from season one! Urge to kill...rising!
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Post by Michael West on Mar 16, 2006 7:17:11 GMT -5
Bitten, Sorry it's taken so long to respond, but with all the repeats, I haven't been on this thread in a bit. When the trauma, or event, as a car crash, or near crash or death miss occurrs-- a massive chemical dump from the brain and glands occur-- all of steroidal type chemicals, anti-inflammatory, and the patient can usually stand, if not walk (as sometimes physical therapy is needed due to muscle atrophy, or nerve injury in limbs). It's described as "an incredible amount of chemicals", sort of a big "whoosh" in the body, like a "healing chemicals dump", from the brain and endocrine system. Oddly enough? afterward, people can walk. Very true, Bitten. I have considered that...but I think the writers are lying to you. To have all of these things come together by chance, without some supernatural force of good or evil...I just don't buy it. There is something controling all of this (besides the writers). There has to be. Now, I don't know-- I do know that I love the show, and that I'd hate it, if they didn't explain the mysteries, in the show to some degree of satisfaction. (and Lost-a- saurus, (not the black smoke monster) or the one that grabbed Locke, but the invisible tree moving thing? I REALLY miss him this season Case in point! You can't tell me Ol' Smokey there is a natrual thing. I read an interview with the man who plays Ecko, and the director was yelling motivation to him: "Now it's right there! It's looking right into your soul!" Supernatural. Has to be. one thing I fear? is that with so many doors of possibilities? (cause just now? if they tied up loose ends? it'd take several episodes each character, and as TV shows often have guest writers that don't know the shows history? they could end up with tons of "oops" and mistakes and untended story lines-- ex.-- I really loved BTVS-- and when I was watching ATS, and saw angel say to Conner, right before kicking him out? "my girlfriend once sent me to hell for 100 years" (not if said girlfriend was Buffy-- it was 500) in my defense, I can only say, that I haven't been that ardent a fan of anything since childhood. This was a small example, but I have seen them sometimes add a change to a MAJOR storyline, and not always for the better. Ah yes...the guest writer. I always love watching Khan talking to Checkov in Star Trek 2. "I never forget a face." Checkov wasn't even a cast member yet when the "Space Seed" episode of the series was filmed! Too many cooks can ruin the meal. But I don't think that's the case with LOST. I think there's a very clear plan. Sure, some of this stuff is being made up as they go along--especially with the backstories, but I thing, overall, there is a main plot that has been established. interesting note Mike-- according to one clue from last week-- the script that Hurley was reading on the Island? Two words, and if it is done in an anagram, the letters-- they spell, Purgatory SEE! I knew it! Thanks for all of your insight, Bitten! ;D
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Post by Michael West on Mar 30, 2006 22:39:59 GMT -5
Wow! Great episode last night! One of the best of the season IMHO. Thought the backstory was a little weak (I was hoping to find out how Locke ended up in the chair), but the rest of the episode had me riveted. Okay...what did we learn: There was a balloon and a grave, but... Henry Gale is not Henry Gale. Jack has been to the far east and can play cards like a pro. Dharma drops food (!) There's a map on the back of the blast door. Next week...a Hurley episode!!! ;D
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Post by Michael West on Apr 12, 2006 23:04:03 GMT -5
Well, I thought tonight's episode was a wasted hour. I like Rose and Bernard as much as the next guy, but their back story didn't add a lot except to say that "the island heals!" No shit. We've known that since "Walkabout." The look on Henry Gale's face when Locke was yelling through the door gave me goosebumps. Kate and Jack got out of that trap way too quickly. I could have used more sexual tension and/or hot and heavy smooching there. And oh look, Michael's back. Is anyone else sick of shows ending with a musical montage? They used to be a cool rarity. Now they're everywhere! "Let's burn up a few minutes with this song and we'll just show everybody doing what everybody is doing." Just lazy writing. Then we get the "Coming up on Lost" at the end, which means there won't be another episode for at least 2 weeks. How can you build any sustained interest/suspense with all of these stupid repeats?
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Post by Timid Wily Lava Child on Apr 13, 2006 3:26:46 GMT -5
Well, I thought tonight's episode was a wasted hour. Not with you on this one, my friend. I like Rose and Bernard as much as the next guy, but their back story didn't add a lot except to say that "the island heals!" No shit. We've known that since "Walkabout." It also adds how they met and what kind of people they are, to say nothing of establishing them as new, real regulars. After all, we haven't seen a backstory on Frogurt. Remember that LOST isn't about moving the plot. It's about moving the characters. There are no event shows - never have been. It's not Alias, or 24, nor even Galactica. The backstories are short fiction, the kind that would appear in The New Yorker - non-genre fiction, and the island is a dramatic playground. If you start expecting Days of our Lives level plot development, turn the show off and wait for the dvds, when you can watch them in more rapid succession - then it'll seem that way. The look on Henry Gale's face when Locke was yelling through the door gave me goosebumps. I wish I'd seen it. You're the second person tonight to say that to me. I can't wait to *see* these. (for those listening in, I work during Lost, and have stone knives and bearskins level TV, so timeshifting isn't an option. I listen to the show on the radio, and when necessary, call Mike for descriptions of obviously missed visuals.) Kate and Jack got out of that trap way too quickly. It was Return of the Jedi. No, seriously - it was an homage. Same thing happens - they get yanked up, exchange a few quips, and quickly (and somehow unpreparedly) liberate themselves only to fall painfully. In one of the three parts of the 1st season finale, Michael yells at Jin (they have already been called Han & Chewie by Sawyer) "No - no - no! THIS one goes there, THAT one goes there. GOT IT!" which is an acknowledged direct quote from Empire, delivered in exactly correct intonation. I think they knew that anything they else could do to free these two would either have to involve The Others, or would just stall the episode. I could have used more sexual tension and/or hot and heavy smooching there. Too soon. She's got some trust to earn before that can happen, and they've got a few years to let that play out naturally. Also, a la Buffy, I don't think these writers care too much if the characters are... happy. Hell, look at Charlie for confirmation of that. And oh look, Michael's back. You got a beef? What is it? If it's obvious, it's only because it's natural, and therefore shouldn't be directly avoided. If it's not natural to expect him, perhaps it ought to be. He's been gone a while, in the woods, where The Others said he would not find them. Frankly, it's about time, and better than him just shuffling back to camp - he would't do that. He doesn't give up. Is anyone else sick of shows ending with a musical montage? Yes. Cold Case took care of that one for me. I don't even see it that often, but I very quickly caught that this was a format thing for them. Now it is for most non-process show dramas. They should all blow up a Death Star at the end of every episode too, or have a photoreal T-Rex walk by - just because we can now. They used to be a cool rarity. Now they're everywhere! "Let's burn up a few minutes with this song and we'll just show everybody doing what everybody is doing." Just lazy writing. It tends to work though, or must, in some way. Don't worry, Mike. This is one of the first shows to really pay attention to the internet, to fans. Not so much to see what we want, but to see what's working. If things don't work, I bet we'll see them corrected more quickly than is usual on a series. Then we get the "Coming up on Lost" at the end, which means there won't be another episode for at least 2 weeks. How can you build any sustained interest/suspense with all of these stupid repeats? You're probably wrong about the weekage by 1 (it'll be May before we see new ones). And the repeats issue is... well, the ones they've chosen. Random, last season episodes. Why not just show The Corbomite Maneuver or Eye of the Beholder, for all the relevance it has to the run? It must be off-putting for the new person, because they don't explain it when they do it. Last year they had fewer, but larger gaps between new runs, and they used them to catch people up - squeezing in as many past episodes as they could to lead up to the new new ones. That was nice. Rest and chocolate, my friend. Approach in better spirits - this was one of the better episodes in recent weeks. Or... it sounded like it was anyway.
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Post by Michael West on Apr 25, 2006 23:30:09 GMT -5
New episode tonight! ;D
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Post by Michael West on Apr 26, 2006 22:28:06 GMT -5
They lied! They lied to us! Got to wait a whole week now!
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Post by Timid Wily Lava Child on Apr 26, 2006 23:55:11 GMT -5
They lied! They lied to us! I told you they would never consciously betray the rebellion.
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Post by Michael West on May 3, 2006 23:38:07 GMT -5
Wow! We wait weeks and weeks for a new episode, and when it comes back...boy, is it a doozy! I new both girls were marked for death (one has a pilot for another network and the other was a royal pain in the ass--if reports are to be believed), but I had no idea it would happen at the same time, nor that the shooter would be Michael! I didn't see that coming at all. I've always found him to be one of the weaker characters, but after tonight... So, I was in a debate with Timid. I end up being his eyes every Wednesday night. He can listen to the show on a radio at work, but he has no picture, so I fill in the visuals. The look on "Henry's" face at the end was much different than the look he had for Anna Lucia. It led me to believe that he knew the plan all along and knew what Michael was doing, meaning Michael is now one of The Others. Timid, however, seems to think Michael is acting on his own, trying to get the castaways to help him get Walt back by making them mad at The Others. What does everyone else think?
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Post by Timid Wily Lava Child on May 4, 2006 1:41:45 GMT -5
Well, I wasn't debating you, so much as suggesting it. Having only heard it, then with your descriptions, and knowing Michael, what you posit as my argument was just what came to mind first as the obvious situation. Your take surprised me.
But...
This (mine) would mean his relying upon the actions of Henry, someone he's never even seen before - to not go ahead and kill him, but to do exactly what Michael hopes he'll do, whatever that would be. He would also suddenly be a guy who would wontonly kill people to get his son, and wound himself, potentially mortally, in trust of a grand scheme. But Michael's basic, not meticulously manipulative. Build a raft - build a raft - build a raft ... get Walt - get Walt - get Walt. He's no Sawyer/Charlie combo.
So Mike (West)'s approach (and he did *see* it, while I didn't) is clearly a closer one. Michael's description of the others was crap (he snuck around and spied on them? Right), and he did show up after much Jack yelling at the line in the sand. Now his joining up with The Others would require, at the outset, that Walt is very okay, and that he knows and believes it. Presumably then he just signs up to their philosophies of who's good and who's expendable? Because still... when was he a guy who cavalierly shoots people?
Or...
Another friend of mine said that Michael just didn't look right. When he did the deeds, he didn't look quite "with it".
Has anyone seen The Manchurian Candidate?
(modification from the next day)
...just caught the end on my Ipod. Michael's expression when he shot Anna-Lucia - when he did all of it.
Terror.
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Post by kevinjames on May 6, 2006 3:37:28 GMT -5
It is also possible that Michael made a deal with the others to kill Anna Lucia in exchange for getting his boy back. The Others would want Anna Lucia dead, because of her killing an Other. Its pretty obvious Michael will do pretty much anything to get his boy. And any parent knows that they'd do anything to get their kid out of harm. Michael didn't even really know Anna Lucia so killing her would be more acceptable, but still not easy, then shooting say Booth or Jack.
I think the shooting of Libby was simply because he was spooked by her, and still full of adrenline. I also don't think she's dead. Her character was just starting to get developed as well as her relationship with Hurley.
Michael shot himself to make it look Henry shot them all during an escape. He wasn't expecting Libby to come downstairs and if she isn't dead then it could make things really really interesting. By making it look like Henry is the killer then it could be justifictiaton for war and freeing Walt. Or a darker premise is that Michael agreed to a plan to get Walt from the Others by dong all this and leading the Losties into an ambush. Its obvious the Others don't like the Losties.
Michael was really eager to say that he'd take them to the Others camp, and that the Losties could ''easily take them''. He was also a little to coherent and precise ater he woke up. Almost like it was a rehearsed script that the Others gave him.
I think Michael has snapped mentally. I don't think he's an Other per se, but defintely using both sides to get Walt.
I don't believe Michael was telling Jack and company the truth about the Others' camp. They've been there far longer and know more about the island. I wouldn't be surprised if they had plenty of weapons and food. Probably more people too. Maybe more then one camp on the island. I think giving false info to Jack and Co. was part of the deal to get Walt back.
On the contrary One thing I haven't heard anyone else pick up on that makes me think possibly Michael is brainwashed possibly is what he said right before he shot Anna Lucia. Something to the effect that ''that's what they do''
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Post by Timid Wily Lava Child on May 8, 2006 2:18:48 GMT -5
It is also possible that Michael made a deal with the others to kill Anna Lucia in exchange for getting his boy back... And any parent knows that they'd do anything to get their kid out of harm. This is what I initially posited to Mike (West) over the phone as he described the ending to me, once he told me Michael shot himself. I didn't believe Michael would "go over". Having seen his expressions, and Henry's, I'm with Mike that, whatever his relationship is with The Others, this wasn't his own ploy to get The Losties mad at them. He was scared, not decisive, and Henry expected him. ...Michael shot himself to make it look Henry shot them all during an escape. Very much, and that works either way, whether The Others' plan is in action, or Michael's on his own. What doesn't work is his needing to rely upon Henry, as an Other (who he doesn't know) to 1) not kill him, and 2) be both able and willing to escape unseen. These are not things upon which he can rely. It would be a foolish plan, and he didn't look rash, rather focused. Whatever he's doing, it was thought out. ...By making it look like Henry is the killer then it could be justifictiaton for war and freeing Walt. Or a darker premise is that Michael agreed to a plan to get Walt from the Others by dong all this and leading the Losties into an ambush. Its obvious the Others don't like the Losties. They like some of them, and still want them... the "good" ones. But otherwise, yes. The options for collusion seem to be that Michael has gone over, or that they control him. If he has gone over, then he must have found Walt, been accepted as also "good" by The Others (which I doubt, or they would have taken him too, on the boat - they take what they want when they can, and they could have then), and been convinced of their points of view - that some Losties are good, and some bad, that those bad are dispensible, that certain ends justify murder... that's a lot. Mind you, I had wondered early on if Our Heroes would find Walt in some kind of well functioning camp, unwilling to leave because he liked it there. If they control him, then he is expendable to them, and "bad", thus can be used this way. Or, he fears "him" the way fake beard man and Henry do. Either way, he is following their orders, while still very much himself (when he tells Anna-Sophia "I'm sorry", he means it). ...I think Michael has snapped mentally. To the extent that a parent will over their child, as you stated, to that extent at least, or to a Manchurian extent. ...I don't believe Michael was telling Jack and company the truth about the Others' camp. No. Even they know better. They've seen The Others kick their butts, and we have the memories of the abduction, the medical center with the fake beards. The Losties know he's at least not got it right, though they probably will think that he has been fooled by them, not that he is lying.
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